I have a challenge for the Conservatives of this country: Name one thing, aside from lower taxes (for the very wealthiest, good for them, but not for me) that is better in this country than it was before January 21st, 2001. High real estate values dont count, by the way, since those are only good for investors (at least, until the bubble bursts) and bankers, and besides they result in higher taxes, which I know y'all hate.
Overall polls dont show that the Republican Party is about to be dragged out of the capitol, tarred and feathered, and run out of town on a rail, and I just dont get it. God knows the Democrats are not a bunch of winners, but the fiasco that the GOP seems to think of as "governance" should have provoked a more decisive set of numbers than the tepid (and so still not tamper-proof) polling they seem to have gotten.
I've gone on too long here, as usual, but I just dont get why anybody still supports the Cabal in Washington.
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Well, I'm a conservative-leaning moderate, which is the best I can offer you. I'm probably closer to being a Libertarian.
Even taxes aren't better, because wages go down in other ways: better paying jobs are sent overseas where they're willing to work for pennies on the dollar. And here in the Tampa Bay Area, housing costs are going through the roof: great if you're a homeowner (which I am), but bad if you can't afford the taxes that go with new assessments, or if you are a first time homebuyer. It's another way to hold down the poor to average wage earner.
IMHO: The only reason I'm still glad I voted for Bush is that we have a conservative Supreme Court. The last thing I want is someone in there that will interpret the constitution in any way he/she sees fit. I like "historical" interpretationalists.
But otherwise, Bush sux, the Repubs suck, and (IMHO) all politicos do. We need less Federal government, with more power in the hands of state and local governments.
BTW, Ed Abby has a great post up today related to this.
Saur is always right best i can tell.
go girl
Well since I'm pretty much against every politicion always I'm not really for Bush and the boys. I do think he was a better choice than Gore or Kerry. The whole party has definately gone against what they claim to stand for.
I think they should have closed the borders, cut the g'ment by about half, cut spending by 10-15% across the board, lower taxes, kill entitlements, pull out of the UN, did something to stop the bleeding on SS.
They did none of that except cut taxes a little.
If the dems or whigs or libertarians or communest or socialists will do those things i'll damn sure vote for them!
jsull28fl
Saur, I think that the future will show that the Bush appointments to the Supreme Court will turn out to be disasters for the nation. I fervently hope he doesnt get another chance. I cant believe that you're still swallowing that bullshit "activist" line that conservatives have been using. Funny thing, turns out that the "conservative" judges overturn more laws than the "activist" judges do. And what the hell does "historical interpretation" mean? They couldnt even agree back when they founded the country.
Taxes are not better because you're not in the richest 1%, the only people who've seen any real gains since Bush took office.
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JS, I've got a proposition for you and all the "personal responsibility" folks: You'll get a special "PR" tag on your driver's license, SS card, whatever. That tag will allow you to pay no taxes whatsoever. It will also:
- not charge you an auto licensing fee, but will tax you per mile driven.
- You will recieve no police protection, nor fire or ambulance service.
- A special program will be built into cash registers at grocery stores which will figure in your share of the cost of farm subsidies when you buy food, and charge you for it on a per grocery basis.
- You will be charged, with your monthly utility bills, a pro-rated amount to recover your share of any tax abatements enjoyed by the developers of your neighborhood (which are, of course, covered normally by tax-payers, which you wont be), and any subsidies which may be had by the utilities themselves. Also, anyone living in rural area will find that the charge applied to them may be considerable.
- You wont get to vote, but you wont be held to the laws either. Nor will you be protected by them.
- Your children may go to local schools, but you will be charged tuition (including a fee for building use). Bussing will be extra.
- You may use the library, but you will be charged rent.
I could go on for a while longer, but if I do that I might as well make it a post. I'll assume you get the idea.
kill entitlements
did you see this part?
so any charge in your example that would go to any kind of entitlements, including farmers take that out.
read this.......
I don't mind paying local or state taxes.
The further it gets from my driveway though the more I'm against it.
I don't mind paying for the military pre-Clinton it was the best and most feared in the world, it is one out of only a couple of things the US is the best in the world at.
I have no problem paying local taxes, never said I did, the federal g'ment is way to big and growing, again I assert they don't do much of anything (outside of defense) that couldn't be done better and cheaper by private industry. See USPS, then check UPS and Fed EX. Just an obvious example. I realize we have been through this so I'll concede that we stand on different sides and probably always will, unless of course I decide I no longer wish to fend for myself.
js
I sometimes ask myself the same question. Personally, I'd vote for a tree stump before I'd vote for the Crawford Crapmesiter, but then, I'm not very forgiving of ineptitude.
I suspect you answered your own question though... the Dems are no pack of winneers either. Each election year I think to myself, 300 million damned people and these jokers are the best candidates we can field?
PFFFFFT!
js, the point was that you are a part of a society, and taxes and so-called "entitlements" are a part of that society. You lift up the lowest members of a society, and everyone benefits. Maybe we're doing it wrong, but eliminating them altogether isnt the answer. You're a work-for-your-keep kind of guy, why dont you loby for a return of the WPA?
If the WPA was putting people to work I'm for it.
See the difference between my take and yours is the way we lift people up. If we teach them to work and to thrive instead of give them a damn good reason NOT to learn then they would be better off.
I would damn sure be for this:
If you draw a welfare check or recieve any form of support then you owe it back. This is payable immediately. Do you know why the invaders are flooding the country? I was told this by some Dominicans (well by the main guy that collected the money and did none of the work) we know we will always have work because in your country people are lazy, and they have no reason to work, so we come and do the work and make the money. If they draw a check, any entitlement, then they owe it back. Be at the courthouse from 8-5 if you are unemployed or schedule your times if you are employed. You will not recieve your next cheack until your prior one is paid off. What will they do you ask? I dont care, sit on the steps but punch the clock and get your check for the hours you serve.
Ok I realize that isn't possible but I assure you the crowd would thin to noghting in a matter of weeks. And I dont have time to lobby, I have to work to pay for those that are to damn sorry, if you ever see anyone marching during the week you can be sure they are to sorry to work.
jsull
Amen Poobah,
they ran 2 of the worst possible candidates the last 2 pres elections. A deaf mute monkey could have beat bush last election and they nominated someone worse than that. What kills me is some folks voted for him!
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